"Final Curtain" Episode Talkback

[sportsfan23]

Discussions on the episode, "Final Curtain" can be posted here.

[Kranstin Kardashian]

Since I was the first person on here to see the episode, I guess I'll be the first to reply to this topic.

The following is something I wrote the day before this episode aired (and definitely not some joke post I wrote earlier today ), with my (not-)prediction for who the Green Goblin would turn out to be.[/blatant lie]

Here it is, the moment we've all been waiting for.
By this time tomorrow, the Green Goblin will be unmasked.
But who is it?

Possible Suspects:
Norman Osborn - the original Green Goblin from the comics
Harry Osborn - turned out to be the goblin last season
Emily Osborn - well, why not?
May Parker - was absent from season 1's Green Goblin arc
Ben Parker - it would make a great twist
Hobie Brown - never said otherwise
St. John Devereaux - actor extraordinaire
Seymour O'Reilly - voiced by Steve Blum
Dilbert Trilby - ditto, plus he's in the media so he's obviously evil
Chameleon - also voiced by Steve Blum
Blackie Gaxton - Steve Blum again
Homunculus #3 - Johnny needs new shoes. Also Steve Blum.
Sally Avril - bitch
Donald Menken - he's Greg Motherfucking Weisman
Stan the dockworker - 'Nuff said
Joe Quesada - to secure his place as Spidey's worst enemy

While the above all have good reasons to be the Green Goblin, it is in fact none of them. You see, to solve this mystery you must follow the rules of crime shows. The culprit is always:
1. Played by someone more famous than the other suspects.
2. Someone whose motive isn't obvious from the start.

So now I can safely say that the Green Goblin is...




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...[shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300]Gwen Stacy[/glow][/shadow].



So you're probably wondering how I figured it out.

Well, first of all she's voiced by Lacey Chabert, who is at least somewhat famous, right? Of course she is, she was in Mean Girls.

And given the number of times that Spider-Man has saved her, it doesn't make much sense for her to try to kill him. Or does it?

Peter kept on ditching his friends to go take photos of Spider-Man, so if Gwen took Spidey out of the picture (PUN!) she could have Pete to herself. While Spider-Man did often save Gwen's life, the supervillains were usually created because of Spider-Man. Also note that the Green Goblin made "his" debut on the same night that Peter went to the Fall Formal with MJ, when he had told Gwen that he wasn't going. She realized that if she wanted Peter to be her boyfriend, she would have to act fast before some other skank got to him first (and look how well that worked out).

Some of you cynics will point out how that would mean that Gwen was in 2 places at once. However, did you ever consider that perhaps there were not one, but two Gwens running around? After all, the Chameleon is present in this series. And even though he's been confirmed for season 2, he hasn't appeared yet. Or maybe he has. Is it just a coincidence that Gwen's makeover was in the same episode as the Green Goblin's return?

But wait. Gobby went after the Big Man first, he only went after Spidey once he got in Gobby's way. Gwen was always intending to kill Spider-Man but she decided it would be easier if she had a criminal empire at her disposal. How did Gwen know Lincoln was the Big Man? Her father is a detective so it's possible that Gwen picked up some investigationing skills from him a la Veronica Mars. These hypothesized snooping skills were probably what alerted her to the existence of the Globulin Green and allowed her to swipe Oscorp tech.

Speaking of Captain Stacy, Spider-Man was taking work away from the police force. While New York was safer (apart from the weekly supervillain attack), it made the police seem incompetent. Gwen may have been worried for her father's job. And what better way to fix that than eliminating Spider-Man? Eliminating Spider-Man while creating a new menace that her father could unmask.

After repeatedly failing to take out Spidey or Tombster, Gwen was looking for away out. When Spider-Man guessed that the goblin was Norman Osborn, she used the opportunity to attempt to frame Norman. She discovered the passed-out Harry instead and she decided that was good enough. So of course she put him in the costume, broke Harry's leg and escaped via that secret passageway we saw Norman use earlier.

Her plan a failure, Gwen didn't speak to Peter much for most of November. But after some encouraging from MJ, she finally just went for it and it seemed that things were going to work out for Pete/Gwen after all (just like in the comics). But then Liz had to ruin that. Plus, Peter got an exclusive contract with the Daily Bugle. Back to square one, Gwen decided that she would try the Goblin routine again. However, Oscorp had increased their security after all the thefts. So how was Gwen going to get her hands on the Globulin Green and all of Gobby's equipment? Through Harry, of course. Why else would she have gone out with him for so long when she clearly didn't want to be with him?

Now of course, in the comics it was the Green Goblin who killed Gwen (well, sort of). So obviously it would make an excellent twist for them to turn out to be the same person. Well played, Weisman. But you tipped your hand. You claimed that Gwen wasn't going to be killed off. But then how do we get rid of her? You can't have Gwen end up with Peter. Obviously, when Peter finds out that Gwen is the goblin, he won't love her anymore and will instead move on to Mary Jane.

As you can see, all the pieces fit. I doubt any of you are still disagreeing by now.

[spideyfan914]

OMG, you're right! So Norman was just another framed victim! That was probably a robot Spidey was fighting, which is why Norman's still alive! It all makes sense now!

[Frostbite200]

You have too much time with you thoughts...that's how people go crazy y'know?....oh, never mind!

[spideyfan914]

Feb 27, 2010 18:18:29 GMT -6 Frostbite200 said:

You have too much time with you thoughts...that's how people go crazy y'know?....oh, never mind!

Who, me? Yes, I suppose I do.... But then again, I'm already crazy.

[paycheckgurl]

HAHA Gwen thing was hilarious. My sides are splitting just thinking about it. Your other suspects list was amusing too.

[shadowstar]

It's always the quiet ones. (Wait, I'm one of the quiet ones!)

As for this episode, it was very good, but the ending was far too rushed for a season finale. Was there really any need to keep the Goblin's identity from the viewer for so long anyway? I'm also concerned that Norman and Roderick are too alike in terms of character in this series, but I hope to be proven wrong if season 3 is made.

[spideyfan914]

Mar 9, 2010 14:09:25 GMT -6 shadowstar said:

It's always the quiet ones. (Wait, I'm one of the quiet ones!)

As for this episode, it was very good, but the ending was far too rushed for a season finale. Was there really any need to keep the Goblin's identity from the viewer for so long anyway? I'm also concerned that Norman and Roderick are too alike in terms of character in this series, but I hope to be proven wrong if season 3 is made.

I find them to be a lot alike in the comics! They're so alike, and yet so different - that's what makes the dynamic between the two so interesting!

[Kranstin Kardashian]

To quote Liz Allan:
"Gwen is... kind of a bitch."

No, wait. That was The Office.

[sportsfan23]

either way, its the same thing...lol